Hi Jayne I would like to comment on the issue of the declining number of Physics students, at least from a point of view of someone coming from a disadvantaged background. I hope this will give you a better picture of the circumstances faced by these potential students. One of the main reasons why there are few Physics students, as I mentioned on the 27th June, is poor job prospect after completion of studies. Their parents sacrifice a lot to get them educated, and in some cases have to depend on extended family members for financial support. Since the family savings is usually enough for the education of one child (the first born), the siblings get affected. This elder child will have to help educate his/her siblings upon completion of his/her studies. What this means is that one cannot afford a situation whereby he/she will be unemployment after completion of their studies or spend a long time studying. The unwillingness of industry to employ Physics graduates is also another contributor to the decline in Physics students. This results in the potential students being lost to other fields. It is true that not only industry can employ Physicists, but it is also true that the majority of graduates wants to go to industry especially considering renumeration which still has to with what's been mentioned above. I know of people, some my friends, who have struggled to find employment. For obvious reasons these guys will not be good ambassadors of Physics. Anyone who went through this won't advise their younger sisters, brothers or friends or anyone coming from the same background to follow the same route. I am not sure if this to some extend has to do with the fact that they are graduates from HBU's . For those who manage to get financial assistance in the form of loans, the money they owe will accumulate interest while they are still struggling (who knows for how long) to find employment. To summarise two things need to be attended to: a) minimisation of the burden in terms of siblings support b) improve employment prospects of the graduates As far as point (b) is concerned it has been suggested what needs to be done viz strengthening of links with industry. As for the point (a), since this has to do with the past i.e. uneven distribution of wealth and (or) opportunities, it is therefore not just the problem of individual organisations or institutes. I therefore suggest relevant people to engage government on this issue. One might argue that students from other disciplines also come from the same past. Yes, but we need to build up the critical mass of postgraduates particularly in science and engineering desperately needed. This as we know will go a long way in the development of the country and economy. Their involvement will also help in getting the demographics correct. A fund can be set up, as was suggested at our facility, to assist those students. Of course the exact details on how the fund will be administered will be discussed. This in itself will help attract more students without them having to worrying about the burden awaiting them at home. Regards Tshepo Mr. Tshepo Ntsoane X-ray diffraction facility, iThemba Labs* P.O. Box Somerset West 722 SOUTH AFRICA